Thanks Pokey; I hit "H" guite often when things get hairy. Maybe that's why I don't see wounds when I remember to check.

EDIT: I've had it!!! I'm going as crazy as Jack. There is no way I'm ever going to get up that ladder before that **** gate closes. I'm going to read a nice murder mystery for a while. nu2gaming

I didn't have any trouble with that gate. Are you hitting the switch beside the tank, climbing the ladder and then hitting crouched just as you reach the gate?

Pokey; I'm turning the switches on the pipes, going thru two doors, turning the crank going back to the pipes, turning the swithces going back to the crank then climbing the ladder. I never make it to the top of the ladder before the gate closes. I think I need a mental health break.

I have a new question. If you don't get to the gate (in the sewer) before it closes can you just turn the crank again or do you have to go back out to the pipes and start from there? nu2gaming

You dont get wounds if you are using god mode.

Just turn the crank beside the vat. It should be the last thing you do and if you miss the gate, just go back and turn the crank again.

Once I got the cranking in proper order I had no trouble getting into the vent.

Pokey and JohnBoy I'm in awe. Ok, I'll just keep cranking and climbing. I have managed to get to the top in time to see the gate coming down, just not fast enough to jump and make it thru. nu2gaming

Something is not right. You should be able to make it in just a couple tries. I missed the first time because I did not crouch in time, but had no trouble after that.

Pokey; I've decided this is a coordination problem. Sometimes I have trouble lining up with the ladder. Then when I do make it up the ladder and jump, before I can locate the gate I hear it closing. This, for me, is going to mean endless attempts. I'm going to do this if it kills me!!! nu2gaming

Hey, try jumping instead of climbing the ladder. I believe thats what I did.

Thanks JohnBoy, I'll try that. Climbing is not working for me. nu2gaming

JohnBoy I'm thinking of naming you in my will!!! I despaired of ever getting past that point. nu2gaming

You guys may be very happy to learn that I am in the church. Right now I'm laying low and taking a breather. nu2gaming

Hooray!! The church is a nice sanctuary for a while.

I'm up the stairs from the vault and Jack is having some serious sanity problems. There is a big hole in the floor. Am I supposed to jump over it? Every time I try I wind up back in the vault. nu2gaming

The one in the hall at the top of the stairs? Yes. There are a few jumps in that area. You are moving right along.

Pokey; Here's where I am: I've made the first jump (up the stairs from the vault) and gone thru a couple of doors. I'm on a landing, I can see the guys downstairs, there are two planks to my left (they both break) there is a space in front of me with a patch of floor ahead, if I jump on it it breaks. Have I missed a turn? Am I supposed to go up to another floor? (I'm not finding one.) Or just keep jumping until I find something that doesn't break. They love it when my butt winds up back downstairs with them. Thank god I saved in the vault. nu2gaming

I was glad to have that vault save too. Hard to remember the jumps and beams. Seems like when you get across the room, you climb up and then walk a beam upwards and out. Keep looking, you'll find it soon.

where you go out onto the area over the fishmen, you have to jump (look up) at the piece of planking in the middle, and as soon as you jump to it keep moving over to the safe side. Then you need to crouch and get to the next level up.

Morning hagatha; I've gotten pretty good at making the two jumps on the 2nd floor, but from there I keep falling thru. If I hear that jerk say, "serach the area, spread out", one more time I'm going to scream. I've gotten to the point of dreaming mayhem on him.

EDIT: It just occured to me to shut the sound off and I don't have to listen to him. I must be the world's worst beam walker.

UPDATE: Right now my downfall literally and figuratively is the jump to the broken flight of stairs. nu2gaming

So have you made it up to the top level of the bank, and is the jump you're trying to make over a gap to a flight of stairs? Again, the trick is to look slightly up. It took me a lot of tries to get it right.

I turned off the sound in the game any time I was starting to feel a bit stressed, which usually conincided exactly with Jack getting all loopy.

On the official forum a lot of people were saying that turning down the resolution a bit seemed to help with Jack's movement speed. You might try that that.

Take heart. Soon you'll be able to get some revenge on the Fishmen.

Yeah hagatha, sometimes I can make it to that top floor, to that gap to a broken flight of stairs but I have never successfully made that jump. I do look up, maybe not far enough? I have made the trip from the vault so many times I feel like I've worn out the floor. I wish there was a save (maybe after walking the beams). I am truly disheartened to know that there are more jumps ahead.

EDIT: I've just had the strangest thing happen twice. I've climbed the stairs (from the vault) and made that first jump, gone on and made the second jump and then when I try to jump up to the fallen beam I suddenly find myself outside on top of a skylight. Jack suffering sever vertigo and can't seem to move. I just return to vault and start over. nu2gaming

Hooray!!! I'm in the water tower. I found a save/star point.

EDIT: I may have happydanced too soon. When I jumped to the ladder on the water tower and climbed up I'm on a catwalk around the outside. There are openings on two sides with a board going across the middle. (That's where I found the save/star). But, I've been all the way around the outside and across the middle. I'm not finding any way up or down. Was I supposed to end up on top of the water tower? nu2gaming

hagatha; Please see my edit just before your last post. I think I may have to go back to the vault. Please say it ain't so nu2gaming