It also kind of covers the fact that the killer had access to the morgue.

Hmmm, interesting theory, Ivinia! I never thought of Miller!

Melanie

Wouldn't she know if Miller had been shot or dissapeared too?
Did the game go that far?

Yup, Gymcandy, she would, which would mean that there isn't anyone that we can name that's guilty. Victoria would know if anyone had been shot or was missing. Looks like we'll have to wait for the sequel. There's an unknown entity out there.

The killer was shot. Was there blood? I don't remember if I saw any blood spatter. If not, they could have worn a bullet-proof vest...something a police officer would have easy access to. The impact would have knocked them back into the water.

Curses! Why did I uninstall it??? I could reinstall it, but maybe one of you can save me the trouble.

True, but what I mean is that the game ended after the villan fell in the river, soooo.... we dont really know if any of these other characters dissapeared after that point.

Still could be Richard or Miller to my way of thinking.

I suppose, at the end of the day, as long as whoever is revealed as the killer has a plausible motive then I'm not too fussed about who it is. However, it for some reason Miller or even the beat cop - Tate - is the killer simply because you would never have suspecting them, then I would feel cheated.

Refresh my memory please...at one point when Gus was on one side of that 'canal' there was a man in a police uniform on the other side watching him, who was that? Or was he ever identified? And why was he watching Gus, was Gus a suspect at that point?Another question from me = if the killer Victoria is seeking is the same person as the killer Gus was looking for wouldn't he be awfully old and not move around so quickly/easily? The present day killer is tall, slim and moves very swiftly, must be very young (Victoria's age group) and very agile.
Love, Betty Lou

I don't believe he was identified. At another point during Gus' investigation there is a different person on the other side of the canal who seemed to have no significance in the story.

I don't believe that cop in the scenes with Gus had anything to do with the plot but who knows?

I think that the present day killer is a "copy cat" killer. Someone who strongly identifies with Mark, the artist, and runs a gallery himself, is Richard. Could that be the connection? Was Mark the original killer??

Agreeing with gymcandy, I am. The present-day killer is a copycat (a "pupil," either in the literal or figurative sense) of Mark Ackerman. It might be a single person or a group, or several acting in series; these crimes, or this type of crime, has been going on intermittently for 70 or more years now.

From stuff I've read I'm almost convinced the killer is NOT actually someone we've met so far. For one thing, before Microids ran out of money, there was supposed to be a couple whole other sections involving the '56 crimes in LA and Victoria's trip there. So there are whole other plot elements that need to be taken into account before this crime even begins to make sense.

Several other sites propose Miller and support the proposition quite well. But he WAS accounted for when Vic was chasing the killer. I remember thinking, "that guy's still having the same conversation?" And it was directly after that, I believe, that he came up w/Vaclav's name.

WW

I think the cop watching Mark Ackerman's place was there because Ackerman was suspected of (or the police chief knew he was responsible) the murders and they were keeping an eye on him. They probably wanted to see, also, who was going to see him. Maybe that made it easier to use Gus as the fall guy. He was seen going in and out of Ackerman's place.

Hopeing we find out I am.

Frustrating it is not knowing.

I also believe that it was Richard, for all the reasons you 've mentioned.

I have a question though:
At Mia's appartment (after she is kidnapped by the murderer) when the killer fights with Victoria, we can clearly see that she removes his mask, reveals his face (NOT viewable to us) and looks at him with awe - as if she recognizes him...

What do you think??

Some other people have mentioned this possibility and I'm certainly not ruling it out. But I didn't read it that way. For one thing, Victoria was pretty out of it, either from the hypo that got stuck in her as she bent over Mia or from the shock or blood loss or something. So it's not clear to me that she actually was able to discern anything. Also, you'd think if she DID see something, she wouldn't still be puzzling over who the killer was later.

Some people have also suggested that Vaclav recognised the killer when he stumbled into the carnage. I tend to agree with FOV that the look on his face was kind of more a mixture of shock at finding a tall, costumed person confronting him and the realisation that he was about to get his throat cut.

WW

Hi WW

I agree with you on all counts. If Vic had known who the killer was, I don't think she would have been so relaxed and calm in the hot tub.

BTW...Congrats on the wonderful review Lady K gave your book in Mixed Bag!

JK

Awww, shucks....

WW

Book? What book?



I know I shouldn't be reading this, as I haven't played the game, but I'm just curious:

(Out-of-left-field question) Is there any chance Gus is still alive and has turned to the dark side, so-to-speak?

I really, really doubt it! Personally, I think the kind of psychic visions Gus gets would prevent that sort of thing.

WW

Well, personally I think that the killings were not done by one person; even back in the past killings, ackerman may have just done the last one; and there's nothing to say they haven't happened before that either. It may be some sort of ritual for the club (whose origins may be older; i think there was some mention of the similarities of the killings to Jack the Ripper). I hope they make the next/continuation/sequel so we can find out

I think that one is out of left field, Becky.

I also think it's part of a cult that was going on for a long time, Marticus. I posted a long hypothesis on another thread, posing that theory.

I didn't think of the connection to Jack the Ripper since his murders seemed to be solitary, but.....

Melanie

The killer doesn't necessarily know Victoria has any relationship to anyone involved in the Prague killings. He's almost certainly a member of that club and could have had access to both Kolar's thesis and Todd Browning's security stuff when they were visiting the club. That might explain why he changed his MO - maybe he changed it after reading Kolar's thesis. Kolar certainly had no problem giving Victoria a copy of it. He was probably pretty proud of it and enjoyed showing it around. He may have had a copy with him that he took to the club. Even without his permission someone could have looked through his things while he was getting serviced.
Same with Todd. Someone could have looked through his things and found stuff related to security clearances while he was getting the business at the club.

It looks to me that this was only half a game similar to Syberia so we can't conclude yet on who is the killer.

1. Who is lady mystery that Mia never found out?

2. Killer accessed the morgue thanks to Todd's access card which means he knew Todd from Red Lantern.

3. Who founded Red Lantern in the first place and for what reasons? Mia said that they paid a lot of money and that members are rich folks which means that founder must be filthy rich.

4. Who collected all those pictures? Richard mentioned that will take lots of time to trace owners of those pictures.

5. We have no info on LA murders during '50s and that is why Victoria is going to LA.

6. Mark Ackerman was institutionalized but we don't know if he escaped or died.

7. We have no clues on Richard. What if he is related to Ackerman.

8. Todd is not a killer because someone in police station would have noticed his bullet wound and could check his alibi. Where he was at the time Victoria shot the killer?

9. Killer must have a good reason for doing all these killings. Victoria's father is therefore out of the question. It would have been easy for him just to slash Victoria's throat during her sleep.

Hi Pirate Hunter:

Do we KNOW that killer accessed morgue with Todd'security card, or is that a surmise? I don't remember getting that piece of information?

I'm pretty confident that the Ackerman Family is behind the Red Lantern, tho' the evidence is circumstancial.

Killer must have reason that seems good to him. That doesn't necessarily mean one a sane-thinking person would follow. The fact that the Killer didn't kill Victoria in her sleep at home doesn't prove anything. There were other times s/he could have killed Victoria and didn't. Victoria is his/her nemesis, a necessary part of the game. S/he wants to be better than Vic, not kill her.

That's what I think, anyway.

WW

Killer had a costume from Red Lantern and knew exact location of morgue and had changed access code and access card for it. Remember that memo and VODKA pass. Todd is the only one of all suspects that is a member of Red Lantern, has a security pass, knows where morgue is and had changed code.

Committing all those killings for no good reason at all is hard to believe. In my opinion there are no serial killers out there but politicians using sickos to committ all these crimes to let them pass various legislations or simply slander political opponents. Eliot Ness proved that man behind Cleveland serial killings in '30s was a doctor and brother of powerful Democrat politician. Eliot Ness was affiliated with Republicans and his task was to clear Celveland of organized crime that BTW heavily sponsored local Democrats. All those killings were supposed to make Ness and Republicans incompetent and force them out of Cleveland. These murders were covered in the game Black Dahlia but they were given supernatural dimension instead of real life politics. I also believe that real Jack Ripper was some doctor affiliated with political groups that wanted to bring down British royal family and not some sicko doing it for his own pleasure. Jack the Ripper case was present in newspapers widely and used to point out about prostitution that was at its highest peak during Victorian era and lead us to conclude that Victorianism was a hypocrisy and sham. Even if someone committs all those gruesome crimes there is still need for media attention. Without media talking about it we would never know anything about these killings. I can argue similar things for Ted Bundy and the rest of infamous serial killers.