I think that when Windows 10 is not supported any longer I will buy a CHEAP laptop for the internet and play on my Razer and desktop

I'm gonna hate it, but if they won't support lower end computers, that's probably the way I'm going to go too.

We purchased an Apple II+ with a whopping 48K of memory in 1982 for three thousand dollars. I was dead set against this purchase, and told my then-husband at the time that *I* would certainly never be using it. A month or two later I stumbled across the original Wizardry in a store and purchased it out of curiosity. I was pregnant at the time and got fairly hooked on it in the evenings and would sometimes play it in the middle of the night when I was having trouble sleeping. (Maybe that is why my son is a diehard gamer - could be some mysterious osmosis occurred!).

Anyway, back on topic - I am glad to hear that you guys understand my feelings about this Windows 11 stuff. Thirty years ago it might have all sounded interesting and even fun (?), but not anymore.

Staying off topic for a moment - Marian, what was the computer purchased for and did you ex ever get to use it again after you discovered gaming?

The computer was ostensibly purchased to help keep track of accounts, expenses, etc. for a couple of family businesses.

And my ex did not ever use the computer much after that, although in my own defense it was partly because he was nearly always working. Truth is, though, he unwittingly created a monster when he opened up the door to my playing computer games.

And so a monster was born - accidentally!

I like Leo Notenboom because he talks computers in normal English that anyone can understand. His take on Windows 11 at this time, "... uh, no."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-HYGm6loqM

Thanks for the link, Drac. Good info!

Yes !! I particulary liked his insistence that you don't go for Win11 !!

Thanks Drac.

For now, Mad... just for now. My inclination right now is never if they change the hardware requirements.

OK, it looks like the correct 2.0 TPM modules are becoming in stock again at reasonable prices. I got an ASUS module with the right specs and connector on the way for $27 and shipping, so we’ll know something it looks like in a couple of weeks. Once more into the breach!

Albert

What is the header like on your motherboard? Mine is an ASUS motherboard.

Well Draclvr, It looks like the 2.0 spec TPM modules (what you need for Windows) uses a 7X2 connector. I couldn’t find a drawing of it outside of my ASUS Prime Z270A manual. Not even Wikipedia has this info. I think the first module I bought was 1.2 or 1.3 version TPM, and had a 2X5 connector. This should be standaradized hardware, or we’re screwed. My best advise is look in your motherboard manual.

Albert

I have SCOURED my MB manual! Haven't opened up my case yet, but that will be next. I have a new video card which I need to install anyway. If even my high end Asus ROG STRIX Z490-F doesn't have a header, we are indeed screwed.

My thing is what about all the 99.9% of people who CAN'T open up their case and figure out what headers are available on their motherboards. This is so really, really bad. I truly think Microsoft is going to shoot themselves in the foot if they carry through with this.

This all sounds pretty disheartening 👎

I agree, Mad.

I can only begin to imagine what Jenny's comments on all of this would have been...

Marian, I have to say I have wondered and imagined what her comments would be every time I post!

Me too, Drac! But this thread I think about in particular because Jenny had a great distaste for Windows 10, so I can only begin to imagine what sort of comments from her might have been engendered by this thread about Windows 11. I know that I for one would have really enjoyed reading them.

I know - I'm surprised we can't hear her from the great beyond!!

I too, would love to hear Jenny's comments right now!

VICTORY! Installation of a TPM module is a two step process.

First is the physical installation. Some commitee is involved in the specification for these things, so I believe they should all be the same. Mine had a 2X7 connector, with one pin missing for a keyed connection so it only goes in one way. This was a bit of a pain as there were no guides on my motherboard and I just had to eyeball it.

I booted up and did the tpm.msc thing., and got a module not found.
Step two is go into BIOS setup and enable the module. In my case it was go to advanced setup, then to PCH-FW Cofiguration, then PTT configuration. Change TPM configuration from dTPM to PTT. Note that I also have the BIOS manual for my motherboard or I would probably never have figured this out. Also note that ASUS is offering BIOS updates to implement this change if you don’t want to. If they have an update for your motherboard, its a safe bet you have the connector for the module. I have no ideas for other motherboard vendors. Then I did the tpm.msc, and Yes! It shows up and looks like t will do its security stuff under Windows 10.

Albert

Excellent! So, that helps out you and "maybe" me. But it sure doesn't do anything for millions of other people who can't do this or don't have a motherboard header.