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Re: Gray Matter delayed yet again [Re: myopia] #657171
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When Gamescom published the trailer I was very surprised that so many people appreciated it.Come on,only some static cartoon style pictures..!Why they would publish a poor trailer like this if the game was really at nearly end stage?And what the beta(or alpha) testers say about the game?I'm very disappointed and I think the whole story is just a big big fake...

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I don't know the whys or wherefores, but surely beta/alpha testers shouldn't even be talking about the game publically in ANY form, seeing as it would be a confidentiality breach?


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Re: Gray Matter delayed yet again [Re: bombou] #657189
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I have to agree with Rushes.
Alpha/beta testers and even reviewers have an embargo to talk about the games they are testing/reviewing until the publishers say so.
Anyway, I still haven't got any official word about the delay, so there's still hope...


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Re: Gray Matter delayed yet again [Re: Rushes] #657195
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I'm just pretty cheesed off with news of progress about once every six months, then the inevitable push-back six months later of another six-month delay. Please correct me if I'm wrong, as I haven't followed all the news, but I get the impression of being fed a carrot every so often just to keep me eager.
There's no P.R. person, who should be keeping us informed. This is not how you conduct a business, by antagonising your prospective customers - in fact, it's very unprofessional, riding on the coat-tails of previous successes.
There, I've said my piece and you could say I'm revolting - and you'd be rigght!


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Re: Gray Matter delayed yet again [Re: myopia] #657199
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Originally Posted By: myopia

There's no P.R. person, who should be keeping us informed. This is not how you conduct a business, by antagonising your prospective customers - in fact, it's very unprofessional, riding on the coat-tails of previous successes.
There, I've said my piece and you could say I'm revolting - and you'd be rigght!


I don't understand what you meant:do you think the PR's have the time to post in every single forum to let people know about the progress of the game???
Normally a publisher just issues a press release, Ana and I normally got their emails 24 hours before they are public and as soon as we got news we post here.
I emailed Mamba already and asked if this delay is true or not, I'm just waiting for an answer, I don't pretend that they are 24/7 at my (or anybody else) service!
As I said, there is no official word about the delay, before cry wolf I would wait to hear from the source.


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Re: Gray Matter delayed yet again [Re: Carla] #657234
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I agree alpha/beta testers have to adhere to the copyright law but I don't know how strict is this rule and what are the circumstances under which they must follow the law.I read various previews in Gamezebo posted by alpha/beta testers...Anyway my surprise was more focused on the poor quality of the teaser!

Re: Gray Matter delayed yet again [Re: bombou] #657251
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If they are good beta testers they learn to bite their tongues no matter what.

Casual game beta testers are in no way in the same category as a beta tester for an adventure game. There is a huge difference between a select dozen people chosen to be a beta tester versus signing up to be one of a thousand to check out an hour of a game for your opinion.

A good beta tester doesn't announce they are one while they are doing it either. Silence is golden.

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Re: Gray Matter delayed yet again [Re: bombou] #657255
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Ciao bombou, I was at the press presentation of the game in Oxford some time ago, and I was very disappointed by the cartoon-style cutscenes, I just didn't like it (you can read the editorial HERE
The rest of the graphics were really good, very detailed, and from the first three chapter that I saw, the story is very intriguing.
wave


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Re: Gray Matter delayed yet again [Re: Carla] #657297
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I have been told the german version will be also in english

Re: Gray Matter delayed yet again [Re: BrownEyedTigre] #657301
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Originally Posted By: BrownEyedTigre
If they are good beta testers they learn to bite their tongues no matter what.

Casual game beta testers are in no way in the same category as a beta tester for an adventure game. There is a huge difference between a select dozen people chosen to be a beta tester versus signing up to be one of a thousand to check out an hour of a game for your opinion.

A good beta tester doesn't announce they are one while they are doing it either. Silence is golden.

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Re: Gray Matter delayed yet again [Re: Mad] #657305
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Correct Mad!

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Re: Gray Matter delayed yet again [Re: BrownEyedTigre] #657357
09/28/10 02:48 AM
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Hi,
I just had to write that I agree with Myopia's assessment with what is going on with Gray Matter. It certainly seems as if Jane is riding on the coat-tails of previous successes and has forgotten whom she needs to have those successes. This game has been production since 2004-2005 and we are approaching 2011! This is an adventure game ...not a MMORPH or huge FPS on line game.
We are talking over 6 years now with nothing more then tidbits thrown out to gamers for years and then when an official website is available not a word why release dates are being canceled. And yes Carla, I think if there "are" any PR people they owe you and any other adventure website "official" the respect of being kept informed to exactly where the game is at and if something like this happens, rumors of another setback, the immediate notification of such and WHY if it is true. Even more if it isn't.
This adventure site and many others have shown Jane nothing but respect and sponsorship for her endeavors and deserve better. We the gamers maybe even more so as without our sponsorship, our purchases, there would be no fortune and fame.
Myopia's quote "I get the impression I am being fed a carrot every so often just to keep me eager" rings true and is very unprofessional. This is a seasoned game writer and producer who should know better but alas seems to think because of her status she is above all that. Well, sometimes riding the coat-tails can have a disasterous effect like a big wind (full of new adventure writers and games) knocking you down onto the dirt road, maybe never to get up again.
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Re: Gray Matter delayed yet again [Re: Cocoa] #657367
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As if Jane herself has any saying in all this!


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Re: Gray Matter delayed yet again [Re: misslilo] #657374
09/28/10 04:40 AM
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Developers (at least, as far as I can tell) don't have a whole lot of "say" as to how their publishers handle PR. In this case, Jane Jensen is the designer -- her design was taken on by a development team in Europe -- and the publisher (yet another organization) does the marketing and PR.

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I was reading around that Gray Matter collector edition, that will be released in Germany at the end of October, will include both german and english version (and soundtrack, a whole deck of cards and a poster).
My best guess is that Dtp will probably want to keep the copyright of the game for itself for some time, and after a certain time allow the local publishers (Mamba). In this way,whoever is waiting for Gray matter will buy the collector edition (the only one with english voiceover,costing around 54 Euros) because after all this time can't wait to play the game.
This would explain the lack of official news, they are probably still deciding the market strategy.
That's my feeling at the moment, I hope to be wrong though.


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Re: Gray Matter delayed yet again [Re: Carla] #657402
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Does the woman not want to get paid surely to do this the game needs to be out and people buying so she makes her money. All sounds very confusing to me.


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Re: Gray Matter delayed yet again [Re: ritchiesbabe] #657409
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@ Carla
According to the press release by dtp which introduced the Collector's edition of Gray Matter, both dtp versions of the game will be multi-lingual. smile

quote from the press release
"In beiden in Deutschland, Österreich und der Schweiz erhältlichen Editionen wird Gray Matter als besonderes Schmankerl sowohl in deutscher als auch in englischer Sprache lokalisiert enthalten sein."

translation:
As a special treat, both editions of Gray Matter for Germany, Austria and Switzerland will include German and English localisations.

Last edited by JackVanian; 09/28/10 07:41 AM.
Re: Gray Matter delayed yet again [Re: JackVanian] #657431
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All this speculation won't get us anywhere because we don't know the facts of the matter.

But, as far as I'm concerned, the most important thing is that whenever we get this game I intend to enjoy it lol lol


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Re: Gray Matter delayed yet again [Re: JackVanian] #657458
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Thank you so much Jack for the info wink well at least I know I won't need to spend 55 Euros to play Gray Matter!
So basically this is sorted for us Europeans , we can buy from Amazon.de, but what about all the Americans? I don't think Amazon.de ships outside Europe... duh
I just hope that when Gray Matter will be released, people will still be willing to buy it!


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Re: Gray Matter delayed yet again [Re: Carla] #657463
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I have no doubt that when it finally appears people will still buy it as long as we haven't expired before hand.


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Re: Gray Matter delayed yet again [Re: ritchiesbabe] #657464
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Originally Posted By: ritchiesbabe
I have no doubt that when it finally appears people will still buy it as long as we haven't expired before hand.


rotfl rotfl


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Re: Gray Matter delayed yet again [Re: ritchiesbabe] #657564
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Well, actually, no, I won't. Maybe once someone has reviewed it and I know what I'm getting into. What I've learned of the game so far really doesn't interest me. Yeah, I know, I'm odd.

Expired? Lol! I do hope the one who reviews it isn't pushing hard at 100, though.

Gil.



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Not to worry! Our reviewers are so sprightly/youthful that it'll be decades before even the most ancient of us pushes 100. And even then we'll be happy to review Gray Matter. wave


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Well said, Becky !! lol

[Any tips on longevity then ??]


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Re: Gray Matter delayed yet again [Re: Mad] #657616
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