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Gray Matter Ending - Serious Spoilers!!! #726928
05/24/11 05:23 PM
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OK Becky, here goes:
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1. I never did hear a satisfactory expanation for the original accident. I guess we are to assume that the guilty person caused it with his/her mental powers - but why?? I know this person was obsessed with David - was it revenge? jealousy?

2. In the cut scene after the accident in the gym, I saw David coming into the gym. What was he doing there? I thought he was back in the lab conducting his experiments. Yet the next morning he acted like he had no idea what happened to Sam.

3. At the end, when "Laura" makes her final appearance in David's bedroom, he has his mask off. When Sam comes in, he asks her what his face look like and she says "pretty bad". From what I could see, there was nothing wrong with his face at all, and I kept waiting for Sam to tell him he didn't need to wear his mask. But that didn't happen.

I was starting to think there might have been an entirely different guilty person - maybe David, consciously or subconsciously causing all the anomalies himself.

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Re: Gray Matter Ending - Serious Spoilers!!! [Re: SuMac] #726931
05/24/11 05:29 PM
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SuMac...You are as confused as I was at the end of the game.

To me, it was a sloppy mess..and I am really shocked at Jane Jensen about this. I believe she allowed her reputation for the masterful Gabriel Knight trilogy to carry her thru with this game.

As for the accident,
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when the policeman told David that the gas pedal was floored all the way, does it mean that the purpetrator was actually driving or what.

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Re: Gray Matter Ending - Serious Spoilers!!! [Re: Kootsie] #726938
05/24/11 05:48 PM
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SuMac,
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1. The perpetrator clued herself already by the time of the angel gift as well as dialogues before that and verified by Chapter 6 in her room's contents; as well as the visit of the student in David's office.
2. Presumed that since David knows all the places the experiment are going to happen; he checked them now after the experiments. He knows that accidents or occurrences are happening at those places.
3. This might be the graphics person's interpretation.

I thought the story was well clued from the start to the end.


Kootsie,

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Remember that the perpetrator is psychic and can do things from afar. There are several cutscenes and dialogues that showed this. One is the dark shadow on the picture of the last dinner of David and Laura.

Re: Gray Matter Ending - Serious Spoilers!!! [Re: MaG] #726943
05/24/11 06:21 PM
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I think the guilty person was infatuated with David for years. She accidentally killed her father when her "fire" abilities got out of control. She then went to Oxford to become a student and decided to try to get help from David.

She finally got up the courage to approach David in his office after a lecture to ask for help in controlling her abilities, and he rejected and humiliated her. If he had been kind to her at that point, things might have ended differently.

She used her mind abilities to cause the accident, holding down the accelerator in the car that hit David and Laura's, tossing David out of the car, and then sealing the car with the fire in it so that Laura burned to death. I think there's a chance this happened in her sleep and her "active" dreams accomplished these feats, in which case she isn't (technically) guilty of the deaths. (During the experiments, all the violence happened in her sleep.) But it's more likely (IMHO) that she was angry, and purposely caused the accident and deaths.

There is ambivalence as to whether David's face was scarred. There's an earlier sequence when he looks at his face in the mirror, and he's very scarred. Of course, this is David looking at his reflection (and perhaps seeing what isn't there).

Would Sam have had the presence of mind, given everything that had just happened, and the drama of the moment (someone had just tried to murder her) to look at David's unscarred face and to realize that it was best to lie to him about it? It would have taken a VERY cool customer to do that. I don't think she would have thought that quickly. So I think his face really is scarred.

I don't remember David coming into the gym right after the accident -- perhaps I missed something.

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Re: Gray Matter Ending - Serious Spoilers!!! [Re: Becky] #726951
05/24/11 07:11 PM
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Being a big fan of mysteries all my life, I'm always trying to second guess what the ending will be. I know the perpetrator was a very disturbed person and we were well made aware of this as the story went on. I just thought it was too obvious of a solution, possibly a "red herring" and that there would be a real twist at at the end. Lots to think about....

Re: Gray Matter Ending - Serious Spoilers!!! [Re: SuMac] #727024
05/25/11 03:44 AM
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Becky (and the others):
I actually tend to think that Angela caused all these terrible accidents during sleep. She was angry at David, yes - and the rage reflected out through her dreams. I don't think she consciously caused the accidents. Didn't she honestly believe Sam is guilty? I don't think she was aware of her having anything to do with it.

As for the game generally - I agree that it's a little embarrassing that the graphics didn't allow us to conclude if David looks terrible or not (I also found his face normal) - it does look like sloppiness. I didn't like the ending, I felt it was too rushed.
The game still is much better than the average AG if you ask me.


There's definitely definitely definitely no logic to human behaviour.
Re: Gray Matter Ending - Serious Spoilers!!! [Re: Becky] #727056
05/25/11 06:35 AM
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Becky,

You wrote:
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"Would Sam have had the presence of mind, given everything that had just happened, and the drama of the moment (someone had just tried to murder her) to look at David's unscarred face and to realize that it was best to lie to him about it? It would have taken a VERY cool customer to do that. I don't think she would have thought that quickly. So I think his face really is scarred."

My take is a little different. Sam had a choice to confront David on his odd behavior (wearing a mask for no good reason for years) or to just agree with his statement for the time being and avoid bringing up a possibly complicated issue until a later time. Saying "Uh, yeah it's pretty bad" bought her time to process what she saw.

I'd also like to ask if everyone has seen the cutscene after the credits. I don't know if I can put a spoiler within a spoiler section, so I won't mention what it is, but I'm wondering if it points to a possible sequel?


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Re: Gray Matter Ending - Serious Spoilers!!! [Re: ergggo] #727074
05/25/11 08:31 AM
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Tomer -- if you're right, it makes what happened to Angela
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even more tragic.


Ergggo -- intriguing. I agree, that makes Sam's reaction more plausible.

Yes, I've seen the
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cutscene after the credits. I don't think it points to a sequel, I think it points to an alternate explanation of what was going on in one part of the story.
My wild idea is below.

Additional spoiler for those who have seen
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the cutscene.


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The Bride of Frankenstein I think refers to an attempt by another magician to run a "Great Game" (or did they call it a "Grand Game) at Oxford. The Great/Grand Game wasn't (as Sam assumed) all the weird, violent things happening on campus during the experiments. The Great Game was to fool David, a famous neurobiologist, into thinking that his wife had returned to him from the dead.

Everyone at Oxford knew that David was running experiments to try to communicate with Laura and that he was unable to "let her go." A few people also knew that Angela was obsessed with David (her roommate, for instance, who also -- like Angela -- seems to be originally from Scotland). I think someone was manipulating Angela, encouraging the "stalking" behaviors.

When David goes to the Daedalus Club, the magician who greets him wears face paint, has a Scottish accent (as I recall anyway -- it's been a while since I played this game), and wears a tie like the one worn by Angela's father (and like the pattern at the track). This "clown" magician knows who David is immediately. I think he's the magician behind the Bride of Frankenstein game.

If Sam hadn't appeared in David's bedroom when she did, would David have been fooled by Angela pretending to be Laura? I think there's a good chance he would have been.

One question I have -- how did Angela get onto David's balcony? Did she fly up there? I've looked at the outside of the house, and the distance between the tower room window and the balcony is fairly substantial -- you couldn't jump it, for instance.

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Re: Gray Matter Ending - Serious Spoilers!!! [Re: Becky] #727303
05/26/11 03:35 AM
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In any case, regarding the sequal,
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whether connected to the final cutscene or not

There are definitely talks about it and it is theoretically planned, but I guess it depends on how it sells.
I just hope it won't take 8 years.


There's definitely definitely definitely no logic to human behaviour.
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